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Offline Adam G.

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SGGU?
« on: August 15, 2006, 12:18:47 PM »
Hi Vic,

I'm just really curious to know how you picked the domain name for this board? Does it stand for anything in particular?

Cheers,

Pavel

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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2006, 10:30:26 AM »
Hi, Pavel,

well, actually it stands for Star Global Group USA.
There is Star Systems Japan, Star Systems Thailand and Star Global Group USA.

I had this company registered about two years ago. Unlike our Japanese and Thai offices, it is mainly on paper.
I have been stuck in Japan for quite some time now, and time permitting planning on going back to U.S, where I would be launching our USA office, finally.

But without sales and everyone else, it will be a long and winding road...  :-\


Vic

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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2006, 11:27:40 AM »
Thanks Vic.

If you want to set up a European Office just let me know.

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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2006, 12:12:09 PM »
Hi, Pavel,

actually, it is something I was thinking about for some time.

I was researching coutntries, and from what I see neither Germany nor France seem like something I would want to consider.
With BT and Vodafone well established in Europe, it will be a real pleasure digging into them.

Of course, from what I understand, Aspect and Siemens seem to be de facto standard over there.



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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2006, 12:19:49 PM »
hmmmm....

Aspect and Siemens may just be the impression [i]I've[/i] given (!)

All of the major mobile and landline operators in the UK have Genesys in some capacity.  As do a lot of the banks.  ...And the major catalogue stores...  Aw heck, just look them up on the Genesys Website!

- Don't let me cloud your view, Vic!

Tony

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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2006, 12:33:03 PM »
My comany has several Siemens HiPath, its crap beyond belief.

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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2006, 12:39:28 PM »
Avaya G3 (or whatever they are called nowadays) and Meridians seem to be the most numerous but many greenfield sites are VOIPing (esp. Cisco Call Manager).

If Asterisk was marketed toward call centres I think it would clean up.

Just my 2 pennies worth.


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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2006, 12:40:18 PM »
[quote author=Sie link=topic=1787.msg5736#msg5736 date=1155731583]
My comany has several Siemens HiPath, its crap beyond belief.
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LOL

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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2006, 01:04:26 PM »
What - good old ProCentre5 with HiPath 4000's?  I think I know them...!  ::)

I remember there being plans afoot to upgrade to VOIP and the suggestion was that we terminate VOIP calls next to the PBX, to convert them back to TDM so that "traditional" telephony methods could be employed, on site.  ...Yeah - that'll work....  :-\

LOL

Tony

[quote author=sy278 link=topic=1787.msg5738#msg5738 date=1155732018]
[quote author=Sie link=topic=1787.msg5736#msg5736 date=1155731583]
My comany has several Siemens HiPath, its crap beyond belief.
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LOL
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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2006, 01:11:24 PM »
[quote author=Tony Tillyer link=topic=1787.msg5740#msg5740 date=1155733466]
What - good old ProCentre5 with HiPath 4000's?  I think I know them...!  ::)

I remember there being plans afoot to upgrade to VOIP and the suggestion was that we terminate VOIP calls next to the PBX, to convert them back to TDM so that "traditional" telephony methods could be employed, on site.  ...Yeah - that'll work....  :-\

LOL

Tony

[quote author=sy278 link=topic=1787.msg5738#msg5738 date=1155732018]
[quote author=Sie link=topic=1787.msg5736#msg5736 date=1155731583]
My comany has several Siemens HiPath, its crap beyond belief.
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LOL
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What is ProCentre5?

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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2006, 01:34:57 PM »
Surely you wouln't want me to advocate another CTI system on the Genesys CTI User Forum?

Actually, it's not that clever - it's an ACD with some bells (Voice/IVR), but no whistles, which works "on board" a HiPath4000.  Quite frankly, it smells...  :o

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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006, 01:47:30 PM »
[quote author=Tony Tillyer link=topic=1787.msg5743#msg5743 date=1155735297]
Surely you wouln't want me to advocate another CTI system on the Genesys CTI User Forum?

Actually, it's not that clever - it's an ACD with some bells (Voice/IVR), but no whistles, which works "on board" a HiPath4000.  Quite frankly, it smells...  :o
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Not at all, just hadn't heard of it, but as it smells it would match the HiPath quite well!  ;D

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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2006, 04:29:35 AM »
[quote author=Tony Tillyer link=topic=1787.msg5743#msg5743 date=1155735297]
Surely you wouln't want me to advocate another CTI system on the Genesys CTI User Forum?

Actually, it's not that clever - it's an ACD with some bells (Voice/IVR), but no whistles, which works "on board" a HiPath4000.  Quite frankly, it smells...  :o
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Actually, why not? After all, we do not get paid by Genesys or anything, and while playing with other systems we notice that they are better, I for one, would migrate in an instance. It's not like I own Genesys (Alcatel now) stock or anything :)

Regarding Asterisk, I think it has quite a potential. I wonder if Genesys would even consider it, because GPL + proprietary license schemes never really worked well.
Oracle is probably as close as it gets, but I am sure they are kicking themselves now, because Postgre SQL not only can do pretty much everything that Oracle can do, but costs much less (0, which is REALLY NOTHING compared to Oracle CPU license).

I think Genesys will tihink twice and then think again before releasing Asterisk-compatible T-Server (even though I hear interesting rumors regarding this), because the invisible armies of programmers willing to dedicate their time, health and electricity bills to the good of many, will instantenously turns their attention to developing an rival t-server. Only this one being GPL. I am sure Genesys would simple love it.

Say, come to think of it, the only reason why those goons from the dark side of the moon have not attacked CTI market in large numbers because they lack the knowledge of how the existing systems work, especially the interface between CTI and CRM. So... let me see... Tony, Pavel, sy248, me... I think among all of us, we have more than enough knowhow to pretty much create our own Genesys T-Server, URS, ICON and maybe even something more. I think that we can be three CTI warlords and one CTI sourcerer (we will draw straws for the title of sourcerer, of course!) and we will be leading the army of programmers behind us.

If we wanted to get into it, I would assume that instead of diving straight into T/Server, we would start with something simple lying on peripheral edges, such as wallboard server, ccon, softphone, ccp. 

Come to think of it, this is not such a bad idea. Think about it guys: ccon? ccp? urs? With SIP becoming a standard, this makes things even easier: there is no reason why someone would need to use Genesys stream manager or GVP: all the tools are already out-there. All we need to do is add Genesys ActiveX (t-lib) to it to make it Genesys compatible.

Wow... Tony, what do you think?

(In case I die over the weekend in a fiery car crash, you know who to blame :) )




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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #13 on: September 29, 2006, 09:28:09 AM »
Hi Vic,

It sounds like you've had an overdose of Omega3 fish oils! Your brain is in overdrive.  ;D  ;D

Yes, I'm sure all of what you mention is possible and I agree with you that a simple app would be a place to start. The other thing to bear in mind is that if something is built that is in direct competition to a Genesys product, I'm sure Genesys would have a major problem with it especially if it affects their revenue stream.

So where are we going to start o great CTI sourcerer? Wallboard server?



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Re: SGGU?
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2006, 12:27:32 PM »
Flippin' heck! Let me see if I've got this straight;

You want to use a comparitive Genesys Framework model and, with the available API's/Toolkits/T-Lib and interfacing tools etc. coupled with combined knowledge, build components that don't already exist in a developer format and then build our own CTI Solution, [i]then[/i]  market it...?

Y'know it's not a crazy idea.  The crazy part is that you are right - it could be done.  I mean, it could be done better than it appears in it's standard format today since the tools exist to build it any way you please.

Pavel - Genesys will no doubt still get their cut because of the standard seat (T and S) licensing, [i]unless [/i] we are considering utilizing the tools being made availbale for [i]any [/i] solution and not related to Genesys in any way.  Personally, I'm not sure that is feasible/possible/legal and I think before anything is put on paper you'd want to check out the legal standpoint...

Tony